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		<title>By: Colin Carmichael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Carmichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Thanks very much for your comment. 

I would encourage you (and other men seeking fellowship within the Presbyterian community) to investigate the presence of men&#039;s groups in your local Presbyterian congregations.

National office staff (either through &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.presbyterian.ca/thevine&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Vine&lt;/a&gt; or the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.presbyterian.ca/communications&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Communications Office&lt;/a&gt;) would be happy to help anyone identify congregations that currently have such groups.

Thanks,
Colin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Thanks very much for your comment. </p>
<p>I would encourage you (and other men seeking fellowship within the Presbyterian community) to investigate the presence of men&#8217;s groups in your local Presbyterian congregations.</p>
<p>National office staff (either through <a href="http://www.presbyterian.ca/thevine" rel="nofollow">The Vine</a> or the <a href="http://www.presbyterian.ca/communications" rel="nofollow">Communications Office</a>) would be happy to help anyone identify congregations that currently have such groups.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Colin</p>
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		<title>By: Healing &#38; Reconciliation is Part of BeingPresbyterian : Being Presbyterian</title>
		<link>http://beingpresbyterian.ca/archives/im-a-lonely-presbyterian-blogger/comment-page-1/#comment-560</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mentioned a little while ago that I would be adding some additional bloggers to the roster at BeingPresbyterian. I&#8217;m [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David McIntosh</title>
		<link>http://beingpresbyterian.ca/archives/im-a-lonely-presbyterian-blogger/comment-page-1/#comment-518</link>
		<dc:creator>David McIntosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Colin.  David McIntosh, &quot;lapsed&quot; Presbyterian.  (I&#039;ve been attending United Churches for the past few years, for various reasons not theological.)  Your mention of loneliness struck a chord with me, so I&#039;ve decided to trouble you with a comment and question.  

My father was a Presbyterian missionary who dedicated his life to lay development and justice issues for 40 years.  I was brought up in a multi-cultural, trans-national, inter-faith environment where virtually everyone I met, Protestant/Catholic/Buddhist/Atheist or Canadian/American/Japanese/Korean, were in synch on important matters of living together, even though they used different names for God and practiced different rituals.  

Just at a time when our &quot;nation of peace&quot; Canada is sending soldiers to half-way around the earth to kill and die in war (&quot;keeping peace&quot; for an oil pipeline), I get the sinking feeling that the PCC has become rudderless in such areas as racial/cultural/religious dialogue and social justice.  Spirituality is undeniably important, but I feel it is promoted in vogue, but vague, language that is ultimately individuating.  Rather than &quot;turn the other cheek,&quot; we seem to be teaching people to &quot;look the other way&quot; in the name of Spirit.  And even though the people I know are all good people, I feel increasingly like a stranger in my own home.

I understand there used to be something called &quot;Presbyterian Men&quot; for lay male adherents of our church, but that it has been defunct for a whole generation.  The last time my father spoke to the PCC General Assembly he said; &quot;Without the laity there is no church.&quot;  He was talking about quality, not quantity, I think.  Do you ever hear people, men, in the PCC lamenting that our church has no formal vessel for lay men to &quot;steward&quot; our own faith, like the Jesuits have Opus Dei?  What would it take to revive Presbyterian Men for lonely hearts like me.  I want to feel relevance with fellow Presbyterians, beyond friendly small talk and fundraising.  What can you do to help me make it happen this General Assembly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Colin.  David McIntosh, &#8220;lapsed&#8221; Presbyterian.  (I&#8217;ve been attending United Churches for the past few years, for various reasons not theological.)  Your mention of loneliness struck a chord with me, so I&#8217;ve decided to trouble you with a comment and question.  </p>
<p>My father was a Presbyterian missionary who dedicated his life to lay development and justice issues for 40 years.  I was brought up in a multi-cultural, trans-national, inter-faith environment where virtually everyone I met, Protestant/Catholic/Buddhist/Atheist or Canadian/American/Japanese/Korean, were in synch on important matters of living together, even though they used different names for God and practiced different rituals.  </p>
<p>Just at a time when our &#8220;nation of peace&#8221; Canada is sending soldiers to half-way around the earth to kill and die in war (&#8220;keeping peace&#8221; for an oil pipeline), I get the sinking feeling that the PCC has become rudderless in such areas as racial/cultural/religious dialogue and social justice.  Spirituality is undeniably important, but I feel it is promoted in vogue, but vague, language that is ultimately individuating.  Rather than &#8220;turn the other cheek,&#8221; we seem to be teaching people to &#8220;look the other way&#8221; in the name of Spirit.  And even though the people I know are all good people, I feel increasingly like a stranger in my own home.</p>
<p>I understand there used to be something called &#8220;Presbyterian Men&#8221; for lay male adherents of our church, but that it has been defunct for a whole generation.  The last time my father spoke to the PCC General Assembly he said; &#8220;Without the laity there is no church.&#8221;  He was talking about quality, not quantity, I think.  Do you ever hear people, men, in the PCC lamenting that our church has no formal vessel for lay men to &#8220;steward&#8221; our own faith, like the Jesuits have Opus Dei?  What would it take to revive Presbyterian Men for lonely hearts like me.  I want to feel relevance with fellow Presbyterians, beyond friendly small talk and fundraising.  What can you do to help me make it happen this General Assembly?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Brough</title>
		<link>http://beingpresbyterian.ca/archives/im-a-lonely-presbyterian-blogger/comment-page-1/#comment-256</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Brough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very excited, Colin.  Can&#039;t wait to see all cool Presbyterians you&#039;ll have lined up for us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very excited, Colin.  Can&#8217;t wait to see all cool Presbyterians you&#8217;ll have lined up for us!</p>
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