Thanks for telling me your honest feelings. Just to let you know that I am definitely not interested in one-sided research. I have very carefully and methodically spent hundreds of hours examining the doctrine and origin of this widely-accepted but false teaching of a Trinity.

I am not saying you are close-minded for not holding my same view. What I am saying is you do not face the questions and texts I sent you head on. And still haven’t after my repeated request. Don’t want to waste your time or mine and sound redundant. Please know that I am very willing to go over every so called, “Proof text” of this doctrine systematically. In the future, if you decide to do this I think you will quickly see the arguments you subscribe to do not hold up under closer scrutiny.

In the mean time, if you ever come up with a Scriptural explanation on just how Jesus has a God yet is also that God let me know as well. I would love to hear it. I will continue praying to and worshiping the God Jesus taught us to pray and worship, His Father the “only true God.” (John 17:3) And I would ask you to be cautious about calling anyone, including His Son, God’s equal. (1 Corinthians 11:3)

Best wishes,

Nick

Objectivity cuts both ways, brother.

Peace

Jeff

You admit to being a stubborn Trinitarian. That is what I have seem to across most of the time. Trinitarians are like cement, firmly set but all mixed up.

Seriously, of course when some dialogues with someone on a Scriptural topic they try to reason and persuade them if they feel the individual has either been misled or is uninformed of the full facts. I am not trying to force feed you to believe me or anything. Just a friendly challenge to reevaluate your belief in what I believe to be a very strange and false concept of who or what God is.

Again, instead you sidestep my questions and completely ignore the evidence I just presented you. If you can’t refute it why not concede to the possibility that the scriptural response I shared with you could indeed be a very liable and at the least an alternative yet Scripturally consistent understanding.

I have many very scholarly comments I have compiled on John 10:30. The reason I sent you John Calvin’s quote is Presbyterian’s highly esteem his viewpoint and that he is Trinitarian. Yet anyone can see that he has said exactly what I have said regarding the passage under consideration. What I find is many Trinitarian’s are in disagreement with themselves on many so called “proof texts” for the Trinity.

I realize you have a belief system to protect but why not take a more objective approach to this controversial, yet highly significant topic?

Would you please try or attempt to answer my questions the way I did yours?

Let God be true,

Nick

Jeff

Peace
Jeff

I wanted to share one more thought regarding John 10:30, the highly respected John Calvin said in his book Commentary on the Gospel According to John: “The ancients made a wrong use of this passage to prove that Christ is …of the same essence with the Father. For Christ does not argue about the unity of substance, but about the agreement which he has with the Father.”

Food for thought.

Nick

This isn’t a game. We are doing what Paul encouraged all Christians, “Prove all things and hold fast to what is true.” (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Yes the Son did say he was “one” with the Father. (John 10:30)

But how are they “one” Jeff? Jesus HIMSELF tells us that WE should be one, “JUST AS” or (in the same way) the Son and the Father are “one.” WE are invited to be “one” with both God and His Son. One in “being” or “person?” Is this what Jesus meant? (John 17:20-23)

Or could he be speaking about being united in love,thought,and purpose? I highly recommend a word study of the Bible usage of the Greek word for “one” (HEN) and you will discover quickly the “oneness” Jesus had with His Father does not demand one to think he is equal or is part of the very same individual as his Father. This is worth checking out or rechecking.

Could you at least address my previous question? “Who is the Most High? Who is Son of the Most High?

This is what I constantly face when talking with someone who advocates the Trinity doctrine. They completely ignore my question and just pretend nothing happened. Since I can’t change their mind they just change the subject.

I hope you are different.

Respectfully,

Nick

Jeff

If someone is “stuck” or in a hole that is getting deeper it is not I. I can support my conclusion, not with a man-made explanation, but from God’s Son who had God’s spirit when he simply said, “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28)

This does not make me think that Christ thought of himself as God’s equal. For he, the Son, has someone who is God over him. Not just when he was a human as Trinitarians insist, but even after his glorious ascension to heaven.
(Revelation 3:12)

Christ, God’s annointed one, does have an exalted position and is superior over everyone. But there is an exception. The Son does sit at God’s right hand but not above the Supreme one, his God and Father. The one whom he will hand over the Kingdom back to once he accomplishes God’s purpose. (1 Corinthians 15:24-28)

As Dr. Rick Fee seems to understand the term “god” can be used in a generic way. Better to be said, “in a broad sense.” “God” actually means a powerful or mighty one. Jesus was certainly that.

However, he was not “The only true God,” in the fullest, ultimate sense. (John 17:3) For instance, I can say I am a president of a company and you could readily understand and accept that. But when we talk about “the president,” of the U.S we know we are talking about President Obama. This is the way the Bible speaks about the Father, the God of Christ. They DO NOT makeup the same being.

This is not hard to see. For instance, who is the most High described in the original Hebrew text in Psalms 83:18? Can you check. Who is the “son of the Most High” as described in Luke 1:32? The Son is not the “Most High.” (1 Corinthians 11:3)

You ask, “Who made Jesus “Christ” which is a title not a name?” Since “Christ” means “annointed one” it had to be His God and Father the one who did the annointing. The one who sent his Messianic Son. (John 3:16) Jesus said he lives because of this One, his Father. (John 6:57)

To wrap this up, for the most Scriptural, direct answer to your last question you posed, all we have to do is turn to Acts 2:36 where it plainly states, “…know for a certainty that GOD made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you impaled.” There it is!

Yes, these are human words, but they are INSPIRED by God so that we can get it and understand what God is wanting to convey. If we are a true Christian we can confidently say what others can’t, “We worship what we know.” (John 4:22)

Respectfully,

Nick

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in GOD, exercise faith also in me.” (Jesus-John 14:1)

Jeff